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One of the best ways to learn about some of historyโs most impressive women is with a dive into NPRโs Fresh Air archive.
The immensely popular radio show from host Terry Gross was born and raised in Philly (in case you didnโt know you had these extra local bragging rights). Itโs recorded daily at WHYY, Billy Pennโs parent company, before being broadcast around the nation.
Thereโs a special collection for Womenโs History Month, called โShe Leads: Trailblazers of the Past, Present and Future.โ It contains 20 different interviews spanning four decades, covering a huge range of topics, from DC Comics to queer identity politics.
Weโve created a teaser guide to the vault, featuring excerpts from a handful of representative episodes, and a snapshot of interview topics. Happy listening!
For womenโs rights historyโฆ
- Gloria Steinem in one of many appearances on Fresh Air commemorates the 15th anniversary of her Ms. Magazine, 1987
- Historian and author Nell Irvin Painter discusses her then-recent book, โSojourner Truth: A Life, A Symbol,โ 1996
- Famed suffragist Elizabeth Cady Stanton raised a daughter who took up her motherโs mantle, shares historian Ellen Carol Dubois, 1998
For discussions of gender, sex, and sexualityโฆ
- Betty Friedan on feminismโs future, 1981
- Poet, essayist and activist Audre Lorde on Black lesbian feminism, 1989
- Author Emily Wortis Leider on one of Hollywoodโs earliest sex symbols, Mae West, 1997
- Gloria Steinem, finding herself โfree of the โdemands of gender,’โ talks autonomy 2015
- Author R. Marie Griffith on the Christian obsession with sex and sexuality, 2017
- Author Vanessa Grigoriadis on how college campuses are beginning to combat sexual assault by focusing on changing menโs behavior, 2018
For literature and arts conversationsโฆ
- Writer Grace Paley shares and discusses her then-most recent collection of short stories, โLater the Same Day,โ 1985
- In addition to talking Black queer feminism and sexuality, Audre Lorde discusses her then-new essay collection, โA Burst of Light,โ 1989
- Renowned novelist Toni Morrison discusses her then-new book โJazz,โ along with personal anecdotes of her familyโs Great Migration north, 1992
- Alice Walker, author of โThe Color Purple,โ also had a new book out called โPossessing The Secret of Joy,โ 1992
- Mae West, one of Hollywoodโs first sex symbols, was a vaudeville and film performer known for her wit, promiscuity and being censored, 1997
- Then-breakout director Ava DuVerney, now known for โSelma,โ โ13th,โ and others, had just became the first African American woman to win best director at Sundance, 2012
- After moving to the U.S. from Nigeria for school, โAmericanahโ author Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie reexamined what it means to be Black, 2013
- Inside the mind of the creator of Wonder Woman, a man living a double life with a wife and a mistress, 2014
- Pop star Lizzo on body positivity and being a classically trained flutist, 2019
- Actress Geena Davis and documentarian Maria Giese talk women in Hollywood, 2019
For policy and politicsโฆ
- In โthe second stageโ of the womenโs movement, more emphasis on cultural and policy changes, said โThe Feminine Mystiqueโ author Betty Freidan, 1981
- Ms. Magazine co-founders Pat Carbine and Gloria Steinem predict feminismโs future and discuss efforts to pass the Equal Rights Amendment 40 years ago, 1982
- Former National Organization for Women president and author talks the political โgender gap,โ 1984
- People look to the โ60s, but should look to the 19th century for the entrance of sex into politics, says R. Marie Griffith, 2017
- Authors and journalists Jane Mayer and Rebecca Traister talk Anita Hill and Clarence Thomas, Hillary Clinton and speaking out, 2017
Some standout interview moments
Author Toni Morrison on her novel โJazz,โ and writing outside of the white gaze
Toni Morrison on โJazzโ:
Thereโs a passage in โJazzโ about the kind of women who needed a certain kind of protection. There were those who had razors taped to their hands. There were those who were willing to boil, lie, and those who were willing to put ground glass in food. But there is a secondary passage which explains what a large majority of black women did in terms of trying to protect themselves โ the church, the club movement, the acquisition of property. I think the line goes any black woman in 1926 who did not share some of those protective gestures was silent or crazy or dead.
Morrison on writing outside of the white gaze:
[I]t would be silly for me to write or to concentrate on major white characters because I wasnโt interested in it, and also, it destabilizes the progress of the narrative in a way. For example, putting a young black girl center stage, it seemed to me a radical thing to do in 1965, when I first began writing โThe Bluest Eye.โ
Once you begin to permit the reins of the narrative to be held by a major white person, you lose the agency, and you lose the terrain โ the imaginative terrain โ because you may be forced into responding to a white presence instead of examining what the interior lives of these people are without the constant need to explain, to editorialize and to fix.
So it was an enormous liberation for me and one that I find to be repeated a lot, particularly in the work of Black women.
Gloria Steinem and Pat Carbine on the Equal Rights Amendment and the โdeathโ of feminism
Gloria Steinem on the expired ratification deadline of the Equal Rights Amendment in 1982:
[I]tโs bad enough to have lost. I think that women have had enough defeat, we know how to lose thank you very much. We could win once in a while. We have won many things in this process but itโs a major, major concern now, I think that we put the blame where it belongs.
The womenโs movement has been declared dead every Wednesday at tea time since I can remember. Itโs a way of dealing with social change. There are two ways of dealing with a deep challenge. One is to say that it is failed and therefore itโs over, and the other is to say itโs succeeded and therefore itโs over. And both things are used on the Womenโs Movement all the time.
Author R. Marie Griffith on womenโs suffrage, religion and sexual harassment
Marie Griffith on early 20th century resistance to womenโs suffrage based on sex:
So, you know, a lot of folks whoโve written about our culture wars today have kind of started in the โ60s, you know, and sort of seen them as stemming from controversies that arose there. [A]ctually, what we really ought to be doing is looking back to the early 20th century and the conflicts that really began โ or certainly were exacerbated by โ womenโs suffrage and the right to vote.
There was a very active anti-suffrage movement that was filled with women as well as men โ very conservative women who did not want women to have the right to vote. So in 1920, when women finally did get the right to vote across the country, there was a very active resistance to that.
There was a lot of reluctance, a lot of fear of womenโs sexuality and a fear that if women got the right to vote, they would no longer want to marry, they would no longer want to reproduceโฆ So those themes have really carried across our history over the last century, in many ways.
Griffith on the age-old problem of workplace harassment:
Well, you know, women have experienced sexual harassment for eons. And Gloria Steinem, I think, once said, it used to just be called life for women. Women expected to experience all sorts of comments and, you know, butt squeezes, and touching, and sexual jokes and all sorts of things. So it was really only in the 1970s when a movement and legal sort of doctrine began to be developed to protect women in the workplace, and frankly, to protect men, as well. Men have also been victims of sexual harassment, of course.
There are many, many cases in the news right now that suggest we have a moment of getting more woke, as it were, around the issue. But itโs been a perpetual problem for centuries, really.
Musician Lizzo on body positivity, feminism and nudity
Lizzo on the perception of her nude album cover as โbold,โ or anti-feminist:
Yeah, but are you only saying that because Iโm fat? You know what Iโm saying? โ because I feel like if I were a thin woman, maybe that wouldnโt be the case. I feel like women who are smaller arenโt really given the opportunities to be body-positive or role models, either, because weโve been conditioned to believe that women are using their bodies for the male gaze.
And I think if I were slimmer, I donโt think people would look to me with the same type of, like, oh, wow. Sheโs so brave. Sheโs doing this and representing everyone โ that they would โ you know Iโm saying? โ because Iโm big.
I think whatโs happening here is that thereโs different waves of feminism. And itโs definitely โ itโs just like โ itโs, like, a generational thing, you know Iโm saying?
So where there was a wave of feminism where we were burning bras, now Iโm like, my bra is in your face. You know what Iโm saying? And I think that that is just a testament to human beings and how we evolve. And I think that the wave of feminism right now thatโs overtly sexual and in your face, I think, is just the response to where we were like, Iโm going to wear a suit and Iโm going to boss up on you and โ you know what Iโm saying? Like, you-canโt-tell-me-what-to-do type vibes. Now itโs like, no, Iโm going to tell you what to do. Hello.





